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What is Tribulus Terrestris?
The herb Tribulus Terrestris first gained prominence as a ‘secret weapon’ employed by Bulgarian weightlifters. Tribulus Terrestris is supposed to have many metabolic properties including increasing muscle growth, improving sex drive, and boosting male performance in the bedroom. There are also reports that Tribulus terrestris can treat colic pains, lower blood pressure and reduce your cholesterol levels.

How Tribulus Works
Tribulus, (also known as Gokshura, Ji Li, Yingjili, Puncture Vine, Devil’s Thorn, Cat’s head, and Tribestan), is a native ground cover to many parts of the world. Bodybuilders have used tribulus to increase endogenous testosterone, strength and muscularity. The primary active ingredient is protodioscin and significant variances have been shown to exist between brands, with the Bulgarian sourced ingredient potentially the most potent. Tribulus raw material derived from Bulgaria generally contains the highest concentration of active steroidal saponins, whereas materials from India and China, the lowest.1 Protodioscin levels can be affected by the way the plant is grown, processed, packaged and stored. Tribulus is believed to work by increasing the body’s luteinising hormone (LH), produced by the body’s pituitary gland. LH in turn stimulates the testes to boost production of testosterone. It’s commonly known that testosterone improves the body’s ability to build muscle mass and strength. That’s why synthetic testosterone and related supplements are so popular. As tribulus is not a hormone supplement or prohormone, it works by increasing the body’s natural production level of testosterone, and works within the body’s natural limits to help men achieve their strength and muscular potential. Tribulus will only help to improve strength in conjunction with an exercise programme that places the muscles under strain and then allows them to recover. 2

Tribulus & Bodybuilding
A study of over 200 male subjects suffering from impotence (often caused by low testosterone levels), showed that many of the men experienced an increase in LH and testosterone as well as sperm from tribulus supplementation. Normally it takes 5-7 days of supplementation with Tribulus before an increase in aggression, libido and drive is noticed. Muscle gains and strength improvement can take 11-15 days before being noticed. For this reason, it may be worth purchasing a couple of bottles to account for this. This aggression can be channelled into your workouts to give you a psychological edge, and improve your energy during training.

Cycling & Stacking Tribulus
Tribulus is best cycled, say for 60 days on, and 2-3 weeks off for maximum effect. Tribulus is rarely used on its own. To achieve the synergistic use of this supplement, stack tribulus with other anabolic compounds, such as Methoxy Isoflavone, Beta-Ecdysterone, red clover, or wild yam. A ZMA supplement is also worth taking whilst on tribulus. If taking tribulus before training, ensure you take a carbohydrate/protein formula post-training.

Tribulus for Women & Men
In males tribulus enhances Lutenizing Hormone and testosterone, while in women it enhances FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) and Estradiol while only mildly effecting Testosterone levels. These increased hormonal levels also increase libido and function.

Tribulus Side Effects
Some people may get an upset stomach from using Tribulus terrestris. This may be minimised by taking it with food. Young males may respond to tribulus supplementation with oily skin. Tribulus may also increase your libido. Tribulis should not be taken by pregnant or lactating women, or individuals with enlarged prostates or any other medical conditions without consulting your doctor.

Choosing a Tribulus Supplement
When looking for a good quality Tribulus supplement, look beyond just the milligrams of Tribulus in the ingredient listing.

•Look for root over fruit and leaf. Cheaper versions at $50 or less will generally be less effective and have lesser ingredients such as these.
•Stay with well recognised brands.
•Liquid form can provide better absorption.
•Choose Bulgarian rather than Chinese or Indian sourced Tribulus, as it has been shown to have a higher quality and quantity of the active protodioscin content.
•Choose a product with LH increasing ingredients in the formulation such as longifolia and forskolin for greater effectiveness.
•Choose a product that works for you, and stick with it.
1 Essentials of Sports Nutrition and Supplements, Jose Antonio, PhD, Douglas Kalman, Phd, RD, Jeffrey R. Stout, PhD, Mike Greenwood, PhD, Darryn S. Willoughby, PhD, G. Gregory Haff PhD. p. 487
2 Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, by Robert Kennedy, p. 238
3 Sports Supplement Review, 3rd issue, by Bill Phillps, p. 28

Three things you must know when it comes to
buying Horny Goat Weed supplements

Well, here's three things you must know before buying any Horny Goat Weed and don't let anyone else convince you otherwise.

1. Horny Goat Weed does not work immediately like Viagra or Yohimbe
Horny Goat Weed is a 'tonic-type' herbal supplement, not a stimulant. In other words, it takes a few doses to a week before you start noticing its sexual enhancement effect.

Tonic-type herbal supplements like Horny Goat Weed builds up your body's natural ability to come to a full-blown erection at any time... spontaneously without having to worry about popping a pill an hour before. Consistent and regular use brings about and maintains erectile rigidity with no side effects.

Stimulants on the other hand works almost immediately by creating some kind of agitation in our body hence stimulating a reaction. Hence the term 'stimu-lant' and its also the reason why the side effects of stimulants are pronounced and very often unpleasant. Another drawback with stimulant is you got to time when you're going to take it. Usually an hour before sex which allows no spontaneity.

2. Horny Goat Weed while highly effective does not work for everyone. Therefore look for a company that provides no questions asked... 100% percent money-back guarantee!

There's isn't anything in this world that works for everybody. Aspirin may or may not make your headache go away. Viagra works for some but is useless to others. Same thing for Horny Goat Weed. Its not for everyone.

Therefore it is important you make sure that your purchase is covered by a 100% percent money back guarantee. This way, in the event if Horny Goat Weed isn't effective for you, you get your money back. And you can go ahead and test other herbal ingredient.

So always insist on that.

3. Finally, look for pure, water-extracted Horny Goat Weed Supplement

There's two things to take note here: "pure" and "water-extracted"

Pure means the supplement contains only Horny Goat Weed extract. There's plenty of supplements in the market that contains Horny Goat Weed along with other herbal ingredients. Avoid all these. Why? Simply because the dosages for each individual ingredient simply isn't sufficient to exert any positive effect on our physiology. To put it bluntly, its a marketing gimmick.

The next thing to look for is water-extraction

This is quite literally the secret key to an effective Horny Goat Weed supplement. Why is that so? You see, the usual western 'pharmaceutical' approach is to isolate one specific chemical ingredient and attribute the benefits of the herb to that one particular ingredient.

It is at best a narrow perspective and perform simply for the benefit of commercial interest.

In the case of Horny Goat Weed, this specific ingredient is called 'icariins'. The typical Horny Goat Weed extract supplement is standardized to 10% icariins and extraction is performed using alcohol as a solvent. But as you can imagine, this is a harsh chemical process that destroys many of the other active ingredients of naturally-grown Horny Goat Weed.

The traditional use of Horny Goat Weed is as a hot-water decoction (tea) which results in a very different profile of active constituents when compared to the high icariins alcohol extracts found in almost all Horny Goat Weed supplements.

Water extracted Horny Goat Weed supplement is not standardized to any percentage of icariins but instead contains a naturally balanced mix of active ingredients. There are at least 15 other active compounds found within Horny Goat Weed and all these ingredients works together synergistically and holistic to produce its aphrodisiac qualities.

Now don't get me wrong. Horny Goat Weed supplement standardized for 'icariins' do work as well. But for maximum effectiveness, take both

Everything you need to know about Tongkat Ali!
Tongkat Ali is a very rare and unique plant which only grows in the far east mainly in Indonesia and Malaysia, however it is now a protected species in Malaysia due to the locals over harvesting the plant. Malaysian manufacturers along with those of other countries such as China, USA etc must now either import the roots direct from Indonesia or use a Man made plantation. Indonesia is now the only legal source for true wild potent Tongkat Ali! Plantation Tongkat Ali is very immature and not very potent.

The word "Tongkat Ali" is Malaysian and translates to "Ali's walking stick", partly because of the long thin trunk of the tree which resembles a huge stick, and partly because it is a sexual innuendo, as it is said to make a mans penis as hard as a stick, though it does not actually do this in reality. It can and is used as an effective aphrodisiac, which may in turn make a man aroused, but it will NOT have the same effect as Viagra on anyone that suffers from ED, nor will it cure ED, as it is not even remotely similar in any way, shape or form to Viagra, despite some people also referring to it as "Asian Viagra". This is more of a marketing trick than anything else.

The plants botanical name is "Eurycoma Longifolia Jack", also referred to as "Longjack" for short, and its Indonesian name is "Pasak Bumi", meaning "Firmly nailed to the ground" due to the roots which grow straight down vertically in to the ground up to 2 meters, making it very hard to harvest! Harvesting is done by local tribes by hand, no machinery is used in order to protect the forests.

Tongkat Ali has a very long history of popular use in the far east as a treatment for Malaria (not FDA approved nor a confirmed treatment in the western world) and as an aphrodisiac, which was actually a rather nice side effect discovered by accident. It has many other reported uses also, such as being an effective anti-oxidant, and there are even reports from some users that it made their penis bigger. Studies on Rats also found this, though it has never been confirmed to be true in humans and I personally doubt that it is true. It has also been referred to as "the plant that cures 100 ills" in Indonesia.

It is now in great demand with bodybuilders in the western world, due to its reported ability to raise free testosterone levels naturally by as much as 400%. The British journal of sports medicine recently announced it as being an official anabolic in a recent double-blind placebo study, which confirms its effectiveness with unbiased studies. There is also a huge wealth of info on the "PubMed" site, just type in Eurycoma longifolia jack
Beware Of Fake & Cheap Tongkat Ali
Tongkat Ali is an extremely rare herb, it has been officially banned from harvest in Malaysia by the Malaysian government and placed on the Malaysian protected plant species list, due to the fact that the locals harvested it to the brink of extinction. There are only a few areas left in the world, most of which are in Indonesia, where the plant still grows naturally and is allowed to age to the point where it becomes very potent (which takes at least 10 years) before harvest. Therefore if you find Tongkat Ali being sold at a cheap price it is likely either fake or just plantation Tongkat Ali, which is very weak in comparison to an aged and wild grown extract.

It is simply a complete impossibility to sell a very rare herb, which is almost extinct and takes a minimum of ten years to become potent, at a cheap price, that is a FACT! The price for genuine 1:200 Tongkat Ali extract even at a wholesale bulk price is very high, since it takes a massive 200 kilos of raw Tongkat Ali root to produce just 1 kilo of 1:200 extract!

Please don't fall for scams on ebay and other stupidly cheap sites as what is being sold to you is often Tribulus, which is often the same colour and has a very similar bitter taste, but is much sharper on the tongue, and will often feel like it is burning your tongue. It could also be just raw Tongkat root powder, or Nettle root extract, or even coffee! There are many fake alternatives being advertised as Tongkat Ali extract on Alibaba.com by dishonest Asian wholesalers selling to unsuspecting individuals looking to sell it and make easy money. NEVER purchase Tongkat Ali through Alibaba or ANY Asian wholesale site unless you have access to a lab where you can test samples
TESTOSTERONE RESULTS OF A HUMAN AFTER TAKING TONGKAT ALI
Click here for a lab report done after a period of 4 weeks WITHOUT tongkat ali extract capsules.

http://poweroftheherb.com/images/TEST1.jpg

Click here for a lab report done after 8 weeks of usage of 800 mg (2 capsules) of 1:50 tongkat ali extract.

http://poweroftheherb.com/images/TEST2.jpg all the above supplements can be bought from this site iv used many times uk based http://www.tonvara.net/

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tongkat ali http://www.lewtress.co.uk/subprod/tongk ... 02637.aspx
i have used tribulus terrestris and horny goat weed i dont Personally rate them they Both have nothing over tongkat ali

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Mason that avatar has ruined me.. wonder who's body they photoshopped for that

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TONGKAT ALI BUYING GUIDE.Tongkat Ali works and it works amazingly well. It is the closest nature has ever come to creating the perfect aphrodisiac. But many people who buy Tongkat Ali supplement off the Net will never come close to experiencing the wondrous sexual enhancement effect (among other things) of Tongkat Ali.

Before I go into the reasons why, there is a persistent myth about Tongkat Ali I want to dispel. And its going to disappoint you. And that is… Tongkat Ali Do NOT work immediately, in 30 minutes, like what a lot online sellers are claiming. Far from it. The plain fact is… no nutritional supplement works right away.

Now with this out of the way, let’s dive into where to buy and how to use Tongkat Ali for maximum effect.

Here are the guidelines for buying Tongkat Ali supplements:

1. Buy Tongkat Ali root extract and not just Tongkat Ali.

2. Buy Tongkat Ali root extract that specifies the extract strength. Too low, it doesn’t work.

3. Buy a product that contains Tongkat Ali extract only.

4. And finally if possible, buy Indonesian and not Malaysia Tongkat Ali.

The active ingredient within Tongkat Ali (latin name: Eurycoma Longifolia Jack) roots is present in miniscule amounts. Therefore, products with label that says it contains ‘Tongkat Ali’ just isn’t going to do the job. It must specifically state it contains Tongkat Ali extract.

But that’s not enough. You must also take note of the extract strength. An extract strength of 1:50 means 50 gram of Tongkat Ali root is used to produced 1 gram of extract. An extract strength of 1:100 means 100 gram of root is use to produce 1 gram of extract. And 1:200 is even more concentrated with 200 gram of roots being used to produced 1 gram of extract.

Thus among the various Tongkat Ali extracts cited above, 1:200 is the most concentrated and potent. Watch out if a product simply say ‘Tongkat Ali extract’ without specifying the extract strength. The concentration could be 1:5 or just 1:2. Technically it is still an extract. But therapeutically, it feels like nothing because the concentration just isn’t high enough to have any impact on your body.
You also do not want to buy a supplement containing other ingredients. Its a waste of money. Just buy the pure extract.

And finally if possible, buy Indonesia Tongkat Ali supplement. Why? First of all, in Malaysia, Tongkat Ali has been declared as a protected plant since 2001 and any wild harvesting from its forest is illegal. And there is also no Tongkat Ali plantation in Malaysia. So any manufacturer who claims their Tongkat Ali is from Malaysia is probably stretching the truth or perhaps breaking the law. Secondly, Malaysia’s Tongkat Ali has been found to be high in lead content, ranging from 10.64 to 20.72 ppm (parts per million). Compared to Indonesia Tongkat Ali, the lead content is just 0.08 ppm. Also, Indonesia is the only country in the world where Tongkat Ali shrubs can still be found in the wild.

The Proper Way To Consume Tongkat Ali So It Works Like Magic

In order for Tongkat Ali to work, you must consume at least 1000 mg per day, at an extract strength of at least 1:50.
If you’re consuming Tongkat Ali at an extract strength of 1:200 (which is what I do), the recommended dosage is at least 600 mg per day.

25 mg to 200 mg per day will have no effect on you.

Also Tongkat Ali extract is not a supplement you take on a daily basis. For maximum effect, it has to be ‘cycled’. The way to consume it is to take Tongkat Ali for 7 days, and then going on a ‘off cycle’ for 4 days without taking it. You can also go on a 10 days ‘on’ cycle and 5 days ‘off’ cycle
freinds have used this company its got the strongest tongkat on the market http://www.tongkatfitness.com/products/tongkat-ali-buy

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nextlevel wrote:
TESTOSTERONE RESULTS OF A HUMAN AFTER TAKING TONGKAT ALI
Click here for a lab report done after a period of 4 weeks WITHOUT tongkat ali extract capsules.

http://poweroftheherb.com/images/TEST1.jpg

Click here for a lab report done after 8 weeks of usage of 800 mg (2 capsules) of 1:50 tongkat ali extract.

http://poweroftheherb.com/images/TEST2.jpg all the above supplements can be bought from this site iv used many times uk based http://www.tonvara.net/


both these lab report samples taken on the same day, 1.5hrs apart? 2 different test subjects.


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dcurzon you sure you havnt clicked on same lab test twice lol what makes you think they both taken same day. as far as i can see looks like two tests taken 8 week apart same person

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You are right, nextlevel, I read it wrong and now I feel like a reading retard :D


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no worries mate we all make mistakes some people are confusing this thread with another called recovery off cycle in testostorene forum so please double check you are posting in right thread

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No confusion. We're not stupid mate. You changed the thread after it had started and been replied to to include a third subject.

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im sure if i had added to the post after its been activated it would have shown up as edited but i do aplogise if i did add something after i had posted original thread i just want to contribute in a positive way within the forum rules help get me out of jail card needed lol

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Hi nextlevel, i own the website, poweroftheherb, that you have copied all of the text regarding Tongkat ali from, which is against copyright laws. I have no problem with this at all however, feel free to do so, but i do have a problem with people who sell products which in no way can be proven as genuine by the sellers and originate from China. It is something that needs to be mentioned.

The problem is that the Chinese companies that supply many other sellers around the globe are not supplying Tongkat ali, they are supplying tribulus labeled as Tongkat ali with an overpriced tag, it also does not have any legitimate or legal COAs or certs other than the ones they made themselves in their own lab, so obviously they are not worth anything, if it is not an independent cert done by either an independent lab or University it is useless and such certs are not regarded as evidence of a genuine product by any official organization.

Try our Tongkat and try the cheaper products, you will see an astonishing difference in the powder quality, a huge difference in the taste. Compare cheaper Tongkat to some regular cheap trib and you will see the taste etc is the same as the cheap Trib, identicle in every way, and also burns the tongue slightly as i mentioned in the text you copied, which should never happen with Tongkat.

Perhaps someone with access could take cheap Tongkat to a real lab and have it tested and i am certain the results will come back positive for tribulus, the cost however can be hundreds of pounds for lab tests which is why re-sellers of cheap tongkat don't really bother.

I, in the past, have tried a heck of a lot of Chinese sellers for Tongkat, due to the fact that the price they charge for it is about the same as a decent trib extract, but unfortunately that is what they sell you, trib, and one batch was even mixed with coffee, and then there are those that mix it with sildenafil citrate (viagra) as was the craze a few years ago with the Tongkat coming in from Malaysia, until the MHRA tested it and found it was loaded with viagra. This is documented on the MHRA site and is yet another reason why you should always avoid anyone that does not have independent lab tests for rare and expensive herbs.

The majority of sellers of bunk Tongkat are not to blame here, the origin supplier in Asia is, and Trib is indeed good at raising libido in the short term and is almost impossible to notice the difference between trib and Tongkat if you have never used genuine Tongkat before. If the price looks to good to be true, it almost always is. Ask ALL sellers of Tongkat for an independent COA first and watch them run for the hills or come up with some excuse as to why they or their supplier don't have one. In house certs are only good for common herbs not worth faking, they are no good for ultra rare extremely expensive, almost extinct herbs.

Not one single other UK or EU supplier of Tongkat ali, other than resellers of the product we sell and those of Sumatra Pasak Bumi can provide an independent cert. ALWAYS do at least a taste test of any cheap tongkat alongside trib and never accept a COA done by the manufacturer over in China or the reseller (who often just copy the Chinese provided COA and put their own logo and address on it. This is the only way you can be sure you are getting REAL Tongkat ali.


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well hi idaver thanks for the info shove your link in the link section i am sure your get some happy customers here :welldone

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crasher you were right im nicked going back to bed geeeeee dbol squrrel on my case now copywrite shit has hit the fan fuk this im hiding lol ps idaver thanks mate respect for allowing me to copy paste your info on tongkat ali better do one before dbol logs in lol

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i found it very informative and probably wouldnt have discovered this info if nextlevel hadnt posted it, so im glad he plagiarised :)


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dcurzon thanks mate glad you found it imformative and usefull info that was why i started the thread so people get solid info on these herbal products and stay clear of all rip off merchents etc cos these herbal products do work if bought from genuine companies and are a great addition to anyones diet pct etc

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idaver wrote:
Hi nextlevel, i own the website, poweroftheherb, that you have copied all of the text regarding Tongkat ali from, which is against copyright laws. I have no problem with this at all however, feel free to do so, but i do have a problem with people who sell products which in no way can be proven as genuine by the sellers and originate from China. It is something that needs to be mentioned.

The problem is that the Chinese companies that supply many other sellers around the globe are not supplying Tongkat ali, they are supplying tribulus labeled as Tongkat ali with an overpriced tag, it also does not have any legitimate or legal COAs or certs other than the ones they made themselves in their own lab, so obviously they are not worth anything, if it is not an independent cert done by either an independent lab or University it is useless and such certs are not regarded as evidence of a genuine product by any official organization.

Try our Tongkat and try the cheaper products, you will see an astonishing difference in the powder quality, a huge difference in the taste. Compare cheaper Tongkat to some regular cheap trib and you will see the taste etc is the same as the cheap Trib, identicle in every way, and also burns the tongue slightly as i mentioned in the text you copied, which should never happen with Tongkat.

Perhaps someone with access could take cheap Tongkat to a real lab and have it tested and i am certain the results will come back positive for tribulus, the cost however can be hundreds of pounds for lab tests which is why re-sellers of cheap tongkat don't really bother.

I, in the past, have tried a heck of a lot of Chinese sellers for Tongkat, due to the fact that the price they charge for it is about the same as a decent trib extract, but unfortunately that is what they sell you, trib, and one batch was even mixed with coffee, and then there are those that mix it with sildenafil citrate (viagra) as was the craze a few years ago with the Tongkat coming in from Malaysia, until the MHRA tested it and found it was loaded with viagra. This is documented on the MHRA site and is yet another reason why you should always avoid anyone that does not have independent lab tests for rare and expensive herbs.

The majority of sellers of bunk Tongkat are not to blame here, the origin supplier in Asia is, and Trib is indeed good at raising libido in the short term and is almost impossible to notice the difference between trib and Tongkat if you have never used genuine Tongkat before. If the price looks to good to be true, it almost always is. Ask ALL sellers of Tongkat for an independent COA first and watch them run for the hills or come up with some excuse as to why they or their supplier don't have one. In house certs are only good for common herbs not worth faking, they are no good for ultra rare extremely expensive, almost extinct herbs.

Not one single other UK or EU supplier of Tongkat ali, other than resellers of the product we sell and those of Sumatra Pasak Bumi can provide an independent cert. ALWAYS do at least a taste test of any cheap tongkat alongside trib and never accept a COA done by the manufacturer over in China or the reseller (who often just copy the Chinese provided COA and put their own logo and address on it. This is the only way you can be sure you are getting REAL Tongkat ali.


LOL, How did i miss this!
Thanks for the correction and update idaver, appreciate the overlook on the copyright.
It will serve a decent thread for those looking for more info on Tongkat.


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thanks admin didnt realise about copyright hope its ok with you

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